shiawasseecounty.net Shiawassee County Forums http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/smartfeed.php?feed_type=ATOM1.0&limit=1_DAY&sort_by=standard&feed_style=HTML&amp 2010-09-09T16:34:02+00:00 FeedCreator 1.8.0-dev (info@mypapit.net) Open Forum :: Re: Imet a man today that has cancer :: Reply by Bob Neil 1 2010-09-08T22:10:21+00:00 2010-09-08T22:10:21+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6288&p=58991#p58991 Bob Neil 1 Some of our elected officials such as Mike Rogers Voted for CAFTA but, Voted NO on allowing reimportation of prescription drugs back into the U.S.A. in (Jul 2003) that would have kept the costs down on some drugs. Makes me wonder if he was getting money from the big drug companys for his election. Guys like Mike Rogers make road blocks for people faced with desperate problems but never come up with solutions to help them.]]> Some of our elected officials such as Mike Rogers Voted for CAFTA but, Voted NO on allowing reimportation of prescription drugs back into the U.S.A. in (Jul 2003) that would have kept the costs down on some drugs. Makes me wonder if he was getting money from the big drug companys for his election. Guys like Mike Rogers make road blocks for people faced with desperate problems but never come up with solutions to help them.]]> Open Forum :: Re: Having solved all of the world's other problems... :: Reply by Horsecrazylady 2010-09-09T00:35:29+00:00 2010-09-09T00:35:29+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6299&p=58994#p58994 Horsecrazylady
We really don't need people showing their all together in public. We could use a bit more modesty. They need to go after the clothes manufactures for making the stupid things.]]>
We really don't need people showing their all together in public. We could use a bit more modesty. They need to go after the clothes manufactures for making the stupid things.]]> Open Forum :: Re: What is the legacy of Cash for Clunkers? :: Reply by Horsecrazylady 2010-09-09T00:25:00+00:00 2010-09-09T00:25:00+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6306&p=58992#p58992 Horsecrazylady Open Forum :: Re: What is the legacy of Cash for Clunkers? :: Reply by fred beyers 2010-09-09T00:28:32+00:00 2010-09-09T00:28:32+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6306&p=58993#p58993 fred beyers Horsecrazylady wrote:
The best positive thing that came from it.....it got a lot of Obama stickers off the streets!

It is nice that somewhere near 50% of voters can be happy! :)]]> Horsecrazylady wrote:
The best positive thing that came from it.....it got a lot of Obama stickers off the streets!

It is nice that somewhere near 50% of voters can be happy! :)]]> Open Forum :: Re: What is the legacy of Cash for Clunkers? :: Reply by 77BTA 2010-09-09T05:20:25+00:00 2010-09-09T05:20:25+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6306&p=59000#p59000 77BTA ]]> ]]> Open Forum :: MORE FALLOUT FROM THE REAL ESTATE DEBACLE--NO SURPRISE :: Author fred beyers 2010-09-09T08:59:30+00:00 2010-09-09T08:59:30+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6311&p=59002#p59002 fred beyers
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Job openings are rising modestly, a sign that employers may step up hiring soon. But rising openings in the past year haven't reduced unemployment, heightening concerns that the unemployed might lack the skills to fill the jobs that are coming available...

Some economists argue that the broader problem is that the economy just isn't generating enough jobs. The number of jobs advertised rose by 6.2 percent to 3.04 million in July...But even with the increase, total openings remain far below the 4.4 million that existed in December 2007, when the recession began.

Openings have risen 30 percent since July 2009, when they fell to their lowest level on records dating to 2000. Yet the unemployment rate has actually ticked up during that period...

Some analysts say that means factors other than a lack of hiring are keeping the jobless rate high. Workers may not have the expertise the new jobs require. Or falling home prices may make it harder for the unemployed to sell their homes and move to where jobs are available.

Narayana Kocherlakota, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, said such mismatches could account for as much as 2.5 percentage points of the unemployment rate...

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I would insist that the inability to relocate is of particular significance. It not only keeps the un and under employed in low growth areas but also limits economic expansion in those vigorous areas which were they able to expand to their potential would boost the overall economy and tend to pull the slower growth areas with it.

However, I would suggest that in addition to inability to sell their homes, there are at least two other major contributors to lack of mobility of workers:
1) an employed spouse. Even if "under employed", if one member of a couple is employed, it is difficult to severe a known income to relocate to a somewhat unknown or questionable situation;
2) extended unemployment benefits and/or other aid. Although it sounds cruel, in many cases I believe many individuals and families would be better off in the long run if extended benefits were changed to relocation benefits. The problem of this, of course, is the severing of relationships and up-rooting of substantial numbers of people without guarantee of material improvement.

Finally, I would also insist that lack of mobility is much more significant than lack of qualifications. For the most part employers can train capable individuals to gain the needed qualifications--but they cannot train if capable people are not available.]]>
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Job openings are rising modestly, a sign that employers may step up hiring soon. But rising openings in the past year haven't reduced unemployment, heightening concerns that the unemployed might lack the skills to fill the jobs that are coming available...

Some economists argue that the broader problem is that the economy just isn't generating enough jobs. The number of jobs advertised rose by 6.2 percent to 3.04 million in July...But even with the increase, total openings remain far below the 4.4 million that existed in December 2007, when the recession began.

Openings have risen 30 percent since July 2009, when they fell to their lowest level on records dating to 2000. Yet the unemployment rate has actually ticked up during that period...

Some analysts say that means factors other than a lack of hiring are keeping the jobless rate high. Workers may not have the expertise the new jobs require. Or falling home prices may make it harder for the unemployed to sell their homes and move to where jobs are available.

Narayana Kocherlakota, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, said such mismatches could account for as much as 2.5 percentage points of the unemployment rate...

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I would insist that the inability to relocate is of particular significance. It not only keeps the un and under employed in low growth areas but also limits economic expansion in those vigorous areas which were they able to expand to their potential would boost the overall economy and tend to pull the slower growth areas with it.

However, I would suggest that in addition to inability to sell their homes, there are at least two other major contributors to lack of mobility of workers:
1) an employed spouse. Even if "under employed", if one member of a couple is employed, it is difficult to severe a known income to relocate to a somewhat unknown or questionable situation;
2) extended unemployment benefits and/or other aid. Although it sounds cruel, in many cases I believe many individuals and families would be better off in the long run if extended benefits were changed to relocation benefits. The problem of this, of course, is the severing of relationships and up-rooting of substantial numbers of people without guarantee of material improvement.

Finally, I would also insist that lack of mobility is much more significant than lack of qualifications. For the most part employers can train capable individuals to gain the needed qualifications--but they cannot train if capable people are not available.]]> Open Forum :: Re: MORE FALLOUT FROM THE REAL ESTATE DEBACLE--NO SURPRISE :: Reply by Fritz 2010-09-09T12:19:42+00:00 2010-09-09T12:19:42+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6311&p=59004#p59004 Fritz fred beyers wrote:
Christopher S. Rugaber, AP Economics Writer, On Wednesday September 8, 2010, 5:40 pm EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Job openings are rising modestly, a sign that employers may step up hiring soon. But rising openings in the past year haven't reduced unemployment, heightening concerns that the unemployed might lack the skills to fill the jobs that are coming available...

Some economists argue that the broader problem is that the economy just isn't generating enough jobs. The number of jobs advertised rose by 6.2 percent to 3.04 million in July...But even with the increase, total openings remain far below the 4.4 million that existed in December 2007, when the recession began.

Openings have risen 30 percent since July 2009, when they fell to their lowest level on records dating to 2000. Yet the unemployment rate has actually ticked up during that period...

Some analysts say that means factors other than a lack of hiring are keeping the jobless rate high. Workers may not have the expertise the new jobs require. Or falling home prices may make it harder for the unemployed to sell their homes and move to where jobs are available.

Narayana Kocherlakota, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, said such mismatches could account for as much as 2.5 percentage points of the unemployment rate...

********************************************

I would insist that the inability to relocate is of particular significance. It not only keeps the un and under employed in low growth areas but also limits economic expansion in those vigorous areas which were they able to expand to their potential would boost the overall economy and tend to pull the slower growth areas with it.

However, I would suggest that in addition to inability to sell their homes, there are at least two other major contributors to lack of mobility of workers:
1) an employed spouse. Even if "under employed", if one member of a couple is employed, it is difficult to severe a known income to relocate to a somewhat unknown or questionable situation;
2) extended unemployment benefits and/or other aid. Although it sounds cruel, in many cases I believe many individuals and families would be better off in the long run if extended benefits were changed to relocation benefits. The problem of this, of course, is the severing of relationships and up-rooting of substantial numbers of people without guarantee of material improvement.

Finally, I would also insist that lack of mobility is much more significant than lack of qualifications. For the most part employers can train capable individuals to gain the needed qualifications--but they cannot train if capable people are not available.


I know a family that faces that exact situation. Hubby's job moved 600 miles away! Wife is home in a town that has lost 800 jobs. Who will buy their house?? Heartbreaking situation as family is separated, geographically for the unforeseeable future.]]> fred beyers wrote:
Christopher S. Rugaber, AP Economics Writer, On Wednesday September 8, 2010, 5:40 pm EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Job openings are rising modestly, a sign that employers may step up hiring soon. But rising openings in the past year haven't reduced unemployment, heightening concerns that the unemployed might lack the skills to fill the jobs that are coming available...

Some economists argue that the broader problem is that the economy just isn't generating enough jobs. The number of jobs advertised rose by 6.2 percent to 3.04 million in July...But even with the increase, total openings remain far below the 4.4 million that existed in December 2007, when the recession began.

Openings have risen 30 percent since July 2009, when they fell to their lowest level on records dating to 2000. Yet the unemployment rate has actually ticked up during that period...

Some analysts say that means factors other than a lack of hiring are keeping the jobless rate high. Workers may not have the expertise the new jobs require. Or falling home prices may make it harder for the unemployed to sell their homes and move to where jobs are available.

Narayana Kocherlakota, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, said such mismatches could account for as much as 2.5 percentage points of the unemployment rate...

********************************************

I would insist that the inability to relocate is of particular significance. It not only keeps the un and under employed in low growth areas but also limits economic expansion in those vigorous areas which were they able to expand to their potential would boost the overall economy and tend to pull the slower growth areas with it.

However, I would suggest that in addition to inability to sell their homes, there are at least two other major contributors to lack of mobility of workers:
1) an employed spouse. Even if "under employed", if one member of a couple is employed, it is difficult to severe a known income to relocate to a somewhat unknown or questionable situation;
2) extended unemployment benefits and/or other aid. Although it sounds cruel, in many cases I believe many individuals and families would be better off in the long run if extended benefits were changed to relocation benefits. The problem of this, of course, is the severing of relationships and up-rooting of substantial numbers of people without guarantee of material improvement.

Finally, I would also insist that lack of mobility is much more significant than lack of qualifications. For the most part employers can train capable individuals to gain the needed qualifications--but they cannot train if capable people are not available.


I know a family that faces that exact situation. Hubby's job moved 600 miles away! Wife is home in a town that has lost 800 jobs. Who will buy their house?? Heartbreaking situation as family is separated, geographically for the unforeseeable future.]]> Open Forum :: Re: Someone throw us a life jacket. :: Reply by fred beyers 2010-09-09T12:48:47+00:00 2010-09-09T12:48:47+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5064&p=59005#p59005 fred beyers Brick in the wall wrote:
rolo4evr wrote:
Brick posted: Each year since 1969, Congress has spent more money than its income. The Treasury Department has to borrow money to meet Congress's appropriations.

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That is just sickening, isn't it? Like out of control children--they can not keep their greedy hands out of the cookie jar. What a mess. The solution is simple to type--quit spending, cut programs, balance the budget--but will/would be painful for many of us, if not all, to deal with. But it has to be done. When?



Yesterday/Now/Soon/ASAP...

Perhaps the best thing that could happen for our economy would be for the ARABS and CHINESE to stop rolling over our debt and demand payment--hence we collapse now before the DEBT BUBBLE (defined as irrational escalation of price not founded on basic fundamental value) gets even bigger.]]> Brick in the wall wrote:
rolo4evr wrote:
Brick posted: Each year since 1969, Congress has spent more money than its income. The Treasury Department has to borrow money to meet Congress's appropriations.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That is just sickening, isn't it? Like out of control children--they can not keep their greedy hands out of the cookie jar. What a mess. The solution is simple to type--quit spending, cut programs, balance the budget--but will/would be painful for many of us, if not all, to deal with. But it has to be done. When?



Yesterday/Now/Soon/ASAP...

Perhaps the best thing that could happen for our economy would be for the ARABS and CHINESE to stop rolling over our debt and demand payment--hence we collapse now before the DEBT BUBBLE (defined as irrational escalation of price not founded on basic fundamental value) gets even bigger.]]> Open Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by fred beyers 2010-09-09T01:13:34+00:00 2010-09-09T01:13:34+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6296&p=58996#p58996 fred beyers Fritz wrote:
Fred Says:
Quote:
I'll be darned, so instead of too much CO2 we don't have enough!!!! That's a new slant. Maybe we could also use super weeds to make gasohol.


Whoa! Slow down a little. There is a whole lot more to the story than just bigger plants as the result of more CO2 in the environment. Remember it causes warming too. How about plants like Apples and wheat that need that cold snap to force fruiting. I'm not qualified to address all the issues but excessive rainfall may be a problem in some areas while drought in others. There is more to the story.

I don't think I made myself clear--I don't want to increase CO2 so plants can grow bigger faster; I want to encourage plants to grow bigger faster to increase their use of CO2 (that may or may not be causing global warming depending on who one CHOOSES to believe).]]> Fritz wrote:
Fred Says:
Quote:
I'll be darned, so instead of too much CO2 we don't have enough!!!! That's a new slant. Maybe we could also use super weeds to make gasohol.


Whoa! Slow down a little. There is a whole lot more to the story than just bigger plants as the result of more CO2 in the environment. Remember it causes warming too. How about plants like Apples and wheat that need that cold snap to force fruiting. I'm not qualified to address all the issues but excessive rainfall may be a problem in some areas while drought in others. There is more to the story.

I don't think I made myself clear--I don't want to increase CO2 so plants can grow bigger faster; I want to encourage plants to grow bigger faster to increase their use of CO2 (that may or may not be causing global warming depending on who one CHOOSES to believe).]]> Open Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by Fritz 2010-09-09T12:13:36+00:00 2010-09-09T12:13:36+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6296&p=59003#p59003 Fritz fred beyers wrote:
Fritz wrote:
Fred Says:
Quote:
I'll be darned, so instead of too much CO2 we don't have enough!!!! That's a new slant. Maybe we could also use super weeds to make gasohol.


Whoa! Slow down a little. There is a whole lot more to the story than just bigger plants as the result of more CO2 in the environment. Remember it causes warming too. How about plants like Apples and wheat that need that cold snap to force fruiting. I'm not qualified to address all the issues but excessive rainfall may be a problem in some areas while drought in others. There is more to the story.

I don't think I made myself clear--I don't want to increase CO2 so plants can grow bigger faster; I want to encourage plants to grow bigger faster to increase their use of CO2 (that may or may not be causing global warming depending on who one CHOOSES to believe).


Reminder!! You said:
Quote:
I'll be darned, so instead of too much CO2 we don't have enough!!!!

Fact: Fifty years ago, CO2 level was .025 % of atmosphere, today it is .035 %
Fact: CO2 is a greenhouse gas (holds heat on the earth like the glass on a greenhouse)
The rest of the Global Warming Theory and affects or effects is subject to conjecture.
I tend to believe those learned men and women of the scientific world who do not have a financial stake teetering on the brink of collapse because they have invested heavily in coal mines!!!]]> fred beyers wrote:
Fritz wrote:
Fred Says:
Quote:
I'll be darned, so instead of too much CO2 we don't have enough!!!! That's a new slant. Maybe we could also use super weeds to make gasohol.


Whoa! Slow down a little. There is a whole lot more to the story than just bigger plants as the result of more CO2 in the environment. Remember it causes warming too. How about plants like Apples and wheat that need that cold snap to force fruiting. I'm not qualified to address all the issues but excessive rainfall may be a problem in some areas while drought in others. There is more to the story.

I don't think I made myself clear--I don't want to increase CO2 so plants can grow bigger faster; I want to encourage plants to grow bigger faster to increase their use of CO2 (that may or may not be causing global warming depending on who one CHOOSES to believe).


Reminder!! You said:
Quote:
I'll be darned, so instead of too much CO2 we don't have enough!!!!

Fact: Fifty years ago, CO2 level was .025 % of atmosphere, today it is .035 %
Fact: CO2 is a greenhouse gas (holds heat on the earth like the glass on a greenhouse)
The rest of the Global Warming Theory and affects or effects is subject to conjecture.
I tend to believe those learned men and women of the scientific world who do not have a financial stake teetering on the brink of collapse because they have invested heavily in coal mines!!!]]> Open Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by One of Many 2010-09-09T14:21:47+00:00 2010-09-09T14:21:47+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6296&p=59006#p59006 One of Many
Most systems have a natural response to a step function which shows a certain amount of overshoot, followed by ringing which continues for a few cycles until it is dampened out at the new equilibrium level resulting from the changed input condition. While that ringing is ongoing, an observer would be hard pressed to determine whether the response was leading or lagging the input, if that was all the information they had. When you have a complex system with multiple inputs that can result in similar responses, determining which input caused the response may be impossible if the only observable is the result.

That is what we have going on now with this Business of Global Warming. We have observations of results without corresponding observations of inputs, and several hypotheses regarding what is the cause of the observed effect, with a huge amount of speculation regarding future effects of certain inputs. The problem is that the system has not had enough time to respond to the change in input conditions that we are attempting to evaluate, and we do not know that the change in input is a high enough magnitude to swamp the dampening function of the system so that it even shows as an observable shift in the system response.

Bottom line is it is all guesswork, and far to many people are gullible enough to believe anything a "scientist" tells them. Just as people have fallen victim to frauds in religious matters for thousands of years, now we have people falling victim to frauds in the field of science, and science is competing with religion for the hearts and minds (and especially the wallets) of the ignorant people of all nations, races and beliefs.]]>
Most systems have a natural response to a step function which shows a certain amount of overshoot, followed by ringing which continues for a few cycles until it is dampened out at the new equilibrium level resulting from the changed input condition. While that ringing is ongoing, an observer would be hard pressed to determine whether the response was leading or lagging the input, if that was all the information they had. When you have a complex system with multiple inputs that can result in similar responses, determining which input caused the response may be impossible if the only observable is the result.

That is what we have going on now with this Business of Global Warming. We have observations of results without corresponding observations of inputs, and several hypotheses regarding what is the cause of the observed effect, with a huge amount of speculation regarding future effects of certain inputs. The problem is that the system has not had enough time to respond to the change in input conditions that we are attempting to evaluate, and we do not know that the change in input is a high enough magnitude to swamp the dampening function of the system so that it even shows as an observable shift in the system response.

Bottom line is it is all guesswork, and far to many people are gullible enough to believe anything a "scientist" tells them. Just as people have fallen victim to frauds in religious matters for thousands of years, now we have people falling victim to frauds in the field of science, and science is competing with religion for the hearts and minds (and especially the wallets) of the ignorant people of all nations, races and beliefs.]]> Open Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by fred beyers 2010-09-09T14:56:02+00:00 2010-09-09T14:56:02+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6296&p=59007#p59007 fred beyers Open Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by LostInAmerica 2010-09-09T18:21:15+00:00 2010-09-09T18:21:15+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6296&p=59008#p59008 LostInAmerica fred beyers wrote:
Oom, I am probably in as close agreement this post as any you have posted since I've been a member. I would only add that since we don't really know, it would seem reasonable to be prudent (not hysterical) in our actions with regard to possible input/causes.


After looking at the death tolls in Pakistan, I couldn't agree more. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... tan_floods

No need to rush to any radical course of action, just as long as we get something
done before all the methane clathrate deposits start to pop when northern siberia
thaws out. :twisted:]]> fred beyers wrote:
Oom, I am probably in as close agreement this post as any you have posted since I've been a member. I would only add that since we don't really know, it would seem reasonable to be prudent (not hysterical) in our actions with regard to possible input/causes.


After looking at the death tolls in Pakistan, I couldn't agree more. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... tan_floods

No need to rush to any radical course of action, just as long as we get something
done before all the methane clathrate deposits start to pop when northern siberia
thaws out. :twisted:]]> Open Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by 77BTA 2010-09-09T18:34:43+00:00 2010-09-09T18:34:43+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6296&p=59009#p59009 77BTA LostInAmerica wrote:
No need to rush to any radical course of action, just as long as we get something
done before all the methane clathrate deposits start to pop when northern siberia
thaws out. :twisted:

And you naively assume we could stop that?

How would have have prevented the cataclysmic changes to the earth when the glaciers that formed the Great Lakes melted?]]> LostInAmerica wrote:
No need to rush to any radical course of action, just as long as we get something
done before all the methane clathrate deposits start to pop when northern siberia
thaws out. :twisted:

And you naively assume we could stop that?

How would have have prevented the cataclysmic changes to the earth when the glaciers that formed the Great Lakes melted?]]> Open Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by LostInAmerica 2010-09-09T19:06:20+00:00 2010-09-09T19:06:20+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6296&p=59010#p59010 LostInAmerica 77BTA wrote:
LostInAmerica wrote:
No need to rush to any radical course of action, just as long as we get something
done before all the methane clathrate deposits start to pop when northern siberia
thaws out. :twisted:

And you naively assume we could stop that?

How would have have prevented the cataclysmic changes to the earth when the glaciers that formed the Great Lakes melted?


A geostationary sunshade could probably buy you some time for a small region of a few hundred miles.
If you've got clathrate deposits starting to pop all over you wouldn't be lacking for fuel sources.

As for lowering global temps, you could do something similar at one of the lagrange points. Not something
the current NASA would be up to as it's just a jobs program for engineers. You would have to deregulate
the entire space industry and start over with a production line system similar to the russian space program,
pull out of the test ban treaty to be able to use nuclear propulsion, and imprison or deport most of the
opposition to such a plan.

In terms of technology, not really anything too advanced, just extremely expensive. In terms of resources,
you would need to strip mine australia until the entire thing looked like Sudbury, Ontario. Not a problem as
you'll likely have a few hundred million displaced people that will work for cheap by the time things get
critical.]]> 77BTA wrote:
LostInAmerica wrote:
No need to rush to any radical course of action, just as long as we get something
done before all the methane clathrate deposits start to pop when northern siberia
thaws out. :twisted:

And you naively assume we could stop that?

How would have have prevented the cataclysmic changes to the earth when the glaciers that formed the Great Lakes melted?


A geostationary sunshade could probably buy you some time for a small region of a few hundred miles.
If you've got clathrate deposits starting to pop all over you wouldn't be lacking for fuel sources.

As for lowering global temps, you could do something similar at one of the lagrange points. Not something
the current NASA would be up to as it's just a jobs program for engineers. You would have to deregulate
the entire space industry and start over with a production line system similar to the russian space program,
pull out of the test ban treaty to be able to use nuclear propulsion, and imprison or deport most of the
opposition to such a plan.

In terms of technology, not really anything too advanced, just extremely expensive. In terms of resources,
you would need to strip mine australia until the entire thing looked like Sudbury, Ontario. Not a problem as
you'll likely have a few hundred million displaced people that will work for cheap by the time things get
critical.]]> Open Forum :: Re: Drowning Victim Identified :: Reply by GLFox 2010-09-09T19:11:42+00:00 2010-09-09T19:11:42+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6301&p=59011#p59011 GLFox Open Forum :: Re: Drowning Victim Identified :: Reply by Soapie 2010-09-09T19:18:20+00:00 2010-09-09T19:18:20+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6301&p=59012#p59012 Soapie Open Forum :: Re: Winter? Not yet... :: Reply by 77BTA 2010-09-09T05:23:52+00:00 2010-09-09T05:23:52+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6309&p=59001#p59001 77BTA Open Forum :: Re: Winter? Not yet... :: Reply by Soapie 2010-09-09T19:42:00+00:00 2010-09-09T19:42:00+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6309&p=59013#p59013 Soapie Open Forum :: medical waste on the bank of the Shiawassee River :: Author kaylor 2010-09-09T20:10:03+00:00 2010-09-09T20:10:03+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6312&p=59014#p59014 kaylor
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Contact: Larry Johnson
Director of Environmental Health
Shiawassee County Health Department
989-743-2392


Discovery of additional sharps warrants caution
Shiawassee River, Shiawassee County

Owosso, MI. With recent low water water levels allowing additional visibility, a homeowner discovered a plastic sharps container of what was identified as medical waste on the bank of the Shiawassee River in Owosso Township. The container appeared to be intact and was removed by Public Safety personnel on September 8, 2010. Michigan Department of Natural Resources and Environment – Medical Waste Regulatory Program staff inspected the container and its contents and confirmed that it is most likely a residual from the criminal dumping of medical waste that occurred in the summer of 2007. The medical waste originated from an elderly care facility in Livingston County.

As a reminder, the Shiawassee County Health Department recommends all individuals avoid swimming in the Shiawassee River due to potential contact with bacteria and/or other infectious material. Partial body contact such as wading, fishing, canoeing, etc. is acceptable. The recent discovery of a medical waste container warrants further precautionary measures while wading, fishing, and canoeing in the river.

“Unfortunately, some still view water bodies as a place to conceal the unwanted”, said Larry Johnson, director of Environmental Health, “That mentality is changing as we become more aware of what an important ecological and economic resource we have in the Shiawassee River. The homeowner immediately notified the proper authorities and we are fortunate to have so many alert residents that care about the River.”

Please take necessary steps to protect yourself such as wearing tennis shoes or boots if you are walking along the river. Contact your medical provider if you experience any cuts or abrasions while in and/or around the river. If you discover any medical waste please call the Shiawassee County Dispatch at 743-9111 or 911.]]>
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Contact: Larry Johnson
Director of Environmental Health
Shiawassee County Health Department
989-743-2392


Discovery of additional sharps warrants caution
Shiawassee River, Shiawassee County

Owosso, MI. With recent low water water levels allowing additional visibility, a homeowner discovered a plastic sharps container of what was identified as medical waste on the bank of the Shiawassee River in Owosso Township. The container appeared to be intact and was removed by Public Safety personnel on September 8, 2010. Michigan Department of Natural Resources and Environment – Medical Waste Regulatory Program staff inspected the container and its contents and confirmed that it is most likely a residual from the criminal dumping of medical waste that occurred in the summer of 2007. The medical waste originated from an elderly care facility in Livingston County.

As a reminder, the Shiawassee County Health Department recommends all individuals avoid swimming in the Shiawassee River due to potential contact with bacteria and/or other infectious material. Partial body contact such as wading, fishing, canoeing, etc. is acceptable. The recent discovery of a medical waste container warrants further precautionary measures while wading, fishing, and canoeing in the river.

“Unfortunately, some still view water bodies as a place to conceal the unwanted”, said Larry Johnson, director of Environmental Health, “That mentality is changing as we become more aware of what an important ecological and economic resource we have in the Shiawassee River. The homeowner immediately notified the proper authorities and we are fortunate to have so many alert residents that care about the River.”

Please take necessary steps to protect yourself such as wearing tennis shoes or boots if you are walking along the river. Contact your medical provider if you experience any cuts or abrasions while in and/or around the river. If you discover any medical waste please call the Shiawassee County Dispatch at 743-9111 or 911.]]> Open Forum :: Re: 1000 posts and above :: Reply by kaylor 2010-09-09T20:11:53+00:00 2010-09-09T20:11:53+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6300&p=59015#p59015 kaylor 77BTA wrote:
Basic Brad wrote:
:? Kind of brings to mind the old saying...."Quality is better than quantity". JMHO.

Very true, Brad, but a little more quantity would not be an unwelcome thing on the forum. Things are kind of dead around here sometimes!

Maybe today is the day.]]> 77BTA wrote:
Basic Brad wrote:
:? Kind of brings to mind the old saying...."Quality is better than quantity". JMHO.

Very true, Brad, but a little more quantity would not be an unwelcome thing on the forum. Things are kind of dead around here sometimes!

Maybe today is the day.]]> Business / Product Reviews :: Daycare in Owosso/Corunna :: Author Linga 2010-09-09T21:09:03+00:00 2010-09-09T21:09:03+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6313&p=59016#p59016 Linga Test Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by fred beyers 2010-09-09T01:11:35+00:00 2010-09-09T01:11:35+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5975&p=58995#p58995 fred beyers Fritz wrote:
Fred Says:
Quote:
I'll be darned, so instead of too much CO2 we don't have enough!!!! That's a new slant. Maybe we could also use super weeds to make gasohol.


Whoa! Slow down a little. There is a whole lot more to the story than just bigger plants as the result of more CO2 in the environment. Remember it causes warming too. How about plants like Apples and wheat that need that cold snap to force fruiting. I'm not qualified to address all the issues but excessive rainfall may be a problem in some areas while drought in others. There is more to the story.

I don't think I made myself clear--I don't want to increase CO2 so plants can grow bigger faster; I want to encourage plants to grow bigger faster to increase their use of CO2 (that may or may not be causing global warming depending on who one CHOOSES to believe).]]> Fritz wrote:
Fred Says:
Quote:
I'll be darned, so instead of too much CO2 we don't have enough!!!! That's a new slant. Maybe we could also use super weeds to make gasohol.


Whoa! Slow down a little. There is a whole lot more to the story than just bigger plants as the result of more CO2 in the environment. Remember it causes warming too. How about plants like Apples and wheat that need that cold snap to force fruiting. I'm not qualified to address all the issues but excessive rainfall may be a problem in some areas while drought in others. There is more to the story.

I don't think I made myself clear--I don't want to increase CO2 so plants can grow bigger faster; I want to encourage plants to grow bigger faster to increase their use of CO2 (that may or may not be causing global warming depending on who one CHOOSES to believe).]]> Test Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by fred beyers 2010-09-09T01:13:58+00:00 2010-09-09T01:13:58+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5975&p=58997#p58997 fred beyers Fritz wrote:
Fred Says:
Quote:
I'll be darned, so instead of too much CO2 we don't have enough!!!! That's a new slant. Maybe we could also use super weeds to make gasohol.


Whoa! Slow down a little. There is a whole lot more to the story than just bigger plants as the result of more CO2 in the environment. Remember it causes warming too. How about plants like Apples and wheat that need that cold snap to force fruiting. I'm not qualified to address all the issues but excessive rainfall may be a problem in some areas while drought in others. There is more to the story.

I don't think I made myself clear--I don't want to increase CO2 so plants can grow bigger faster; I want to encourage plants to grow bigger faster to increase their use of CO2 (that may or may not be causing global warming depending on who one CHOOSES to believe).]]> Fritz wrote:
Fred Says:
Quote:
I'll be darned, so instead of too much CO2 we don't have enough!!!! That's a new slant. Maybe we could also use super weeds to make gasohol.


Whoa! Slow down a little. There is a whole lot more to the story than just bigger plants as the result of more CO2 in the environment. Remember it causes warming too. How about plants like Apples and wheat that need that cold snap to force fruiting. I'm not qualified to address all the issues but excessive rainfall may be a problem in some areas while drought in others. There is more to the story.

I don't think I made myself clear--I don't want to increase CO2 so plants can grow bigger faster; I want to encourage plants to grow bigger faster to increase their use of CO2 (that may or may not be causing global warming depending on who one CHOOSES to believe).]]> Test Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by fred beyers 2010-09-09T01:32:19+00:00 2010-09-09T01:32:19+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5975&p=58998#p58998 fred beyers Test Forum :: Re: Hey Fritz, pretend you're a botonist instead of biologist :: Reply by alleymad 2010-09-09T02:12:54+00:00 2010-09-09T02:12:54+00:00 http://www.shiawasseecounty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5975&p=58999#p58999 alleymad