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With glfox's intelligence experience and expertise he has no excuse for not knowing the fact that the Reagan administration knew Saddam was doing the evil things he did and supported him anyway. Saddam was hanged for killing 140 some odd people in retribution for attacks on his life.

After the Gulf War, thousands of Shia and Kurds were killed because our government had made a commitment to support them if they rose up to overthrow Saddam. They did rise up, we changed our mind, withheld our support and thousands died. As far as I can tell our government never took responsibility for those deaths which included innocent men, women, and children.

In fulfilling our most recent promise to help Iraq, thousands more innocent Iraqi men, women and children have died and still we do not accept the responsibility for what we have done.

President Bush should not only be impeached he should be sent to prison.

What about the Bay of Pigs?

I was surprised you didn't try to deny the facts of my last post. Without U.S. support of Saddam, the thousands of Iraqi, Kurd and Iranian men, women and children might not have died and the Middle East might have been a place where some form of enlightened representative government was planted nurtured and grown.

Instead we got the Bush Doctrine of Kill Them All and Let God Sort Them Out and a never ending cycle of violence. It's almost like Saddam is still in charge and his corrupted soul has infected all the people involved.

Although I don't believe President Bush had anything to do with the Bay of Pigs (unless you are referring to the frat party of the same name that he organized while at Yale), if you have found in your in your intelligence network, research that he in fact did, he can't be blamed because it was probably just another one of his failed business plans developed by someone else.

Let's just hold him accountable for what he has done since hiding out in the National Guard.

Impeach President Bush and send him to prison.

President Bush did not have anything to do with the Bay of Pigs invasion, but both Eisenhower and Kennedy did.

Gary, you're wasting your time attempting to try and alter a one track mind. Ya got as much chance of making that happen as his dream of impeaching Bush.
I don't believe you are delusional though

Barry

What I don't understand is why the Bay of Pigs, or anything else that happened before I was born, absolves the current President of something he's doing now.

By this logic we should let everyone out of jail because none of our current prison population committed a crime that hasn't been committed by at least one other person who has gone unpunished. We should never punish anyone for murder, rape, assault, etc. because we haven't punished everyone who has ever committed these crimes.

The point demonstrates the Dems are no better than those they are accusing.

Since it was brought up that during the Reagan Administration, the US sold weapons to Iraq, I thought I'd research to see exactly how much as well as how much other countries were selling. There is a nice chart here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_sales_to_Iraq_1973-1990

Also take a good look at how "successful" Clinton's foreign policy on Somalia was.

Conservatives always say that today's Dems are soooo different from the "good" Dems like Kennedy who were willing to "protect this country" ... sigh ...

But...........but............but, they're here to save the day!

You missed the point. The Dems have accused George H. Bush of leaving the Kurds out to dry when he promised them assistance to revolt against Saddam. Instead, Saddam used mustard gas and the like on them killing over 100,000.

Kennedy had promised support to the Cuban freedom fighters who were trained by the CIA in the US. When the invasion started there was no assistance from us. Many of them were killed and those captured were imprisoned.

So really what are the differences?

Well that was over 40 years ago. There are Republicans and non-partisan conservatives all over talking about how the old liberals like Kennedy were the good Democrats who "wanted to protect the country." So this suggests to me that the difference is between today's Democrat and the Dems of 40-50 years ago.

I think another difference is that we didn't arm and support Castro, thus creating the monster that we were trying to destroy.

Well that was over 40 years ago. There are Republicans and non-partisan conservatives all over talking about how the old liberals like Kennedy were the good Democrats who "wanted to protect the country." So this suggests to me that the difference is between today's Democrat and the Dems of 40-50 years ago.

I think another difference is that we didn't arm and support Castro, thus creating the monster that we were trying to destroy.[/quote]

You're still missing the point or rather choose to ignore it. There was no love lost between the Republicans and Kennedy. You make it sound like they really liked Kennedy an all the other Dems back then, which isn't true at all.

It was the Dems who got the country involved in Vietnam and created that quagmire. I used quagmire because the Dems seem to be using that a lot in regards to Iraq.

All in all, the Dems are really no better than what they accuse the Republicans of.

The time span between the Bay of Pigs and Iraq has no relevance as the circumstances are pretty much the same.

Oh I don't think the Republicans love Kennedy, I just think they like to use that "old Dems = good Dems" as a political tool when they feel like it.

I don't think the overall circumstances are the same, since we didn't create the Cuban dictator who killed his enemies. I think we have a bigger moral obligation when the killing comes from something we created.



Ok, let's say that 40 years ago, the Dems were the same as today's Republicans, and the Bay of Pigs is the same as Iraq. Did you approve of what Kennedy did at the Bay of Pigs?

Kennedy promised the Cuban revolutionaries he would provide them military support, so they carried out the plan. No military support came and many were killed the rest captured.

George H. Bush promised the Kurds military support to remove Saddam. The support never came and 100,000 Kurds were killed.

Now do you see the comparisons?