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DRAIN COMMISSIONER
DRAIN COMMISSIONER
shiaway <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 7:01 a.m.
The prosecutor is going to report on the Drain Commissioner, Gary Holzhausen, at Tuesdays County Commissioner's Committee of the Whole meeting.
4 PM Surbeck Bldg
He may even have decided if he is going to prosecute by then.
So says the Independent.........
This should be "intristing"
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Re: DRAIN COMMISSIONER
bornyesterday <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 9:35 a.m.
"He may even have decided if he is going to prosecute by then."
Unless there was something that wasn't mentioned in the press I don't see how they could prosecute the guy. But then again anything is possible in Shiawassee County.
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Kennel License
kaylor <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 6:37 p.m.
for those veterinary clinics currently operating illegal kennels is supposed to be on this meetings agenda, too
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Re: Kennel License
okalready <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 9:59 p.m.
keep us updated on the kennel licensing
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Re: Kennel License
ML <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 10:13 p.m.
I wish when they are scrutinizing everyone out there trying to make a living they would ask them how many bids were taken for all of the Sherrif fleet of cars, they just so happen to all go to Terry Walkers sons new business, if he was the lowest bid so be it, but somehow I doubt there was an opportunity for others.
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Re: Kennel License
kaylor <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 10:24 p.m.
Glad to know at least a couple people are interested
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WOW ! ! ! !
shiaway <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 10:33 p.m.
That is an unexpected choice bit of information!
Terry Walker...the undersheriff
His son gets the deal on the new cars......
Perrin gets county contracts - big ones - no bidding process at all
Perrin is some relation to Commissioner Fuja - who sees no conflict - ????
"Intristing"
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Re: DRAIN COMMISSIONER
shiaway <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 10:37 p.m.
Looks like you are the only one interested in the Drain Commissioner, at all.
That post from ML just blew me away.....
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ML <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 11:14 p.m.
Close but Terry Walkers son just services all the patrol cars for county he is by the Charter Cable Co. I just think this is a whole lot of unfair practices and then they write Gary H. a check and call him a theif, what a group for us to not be proud of.
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Re: Kennel License
bornyesterday <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 11:46 p.m.
It's the ole cliche'e.. Do as I say, not as I do!
I imagine if we knew everything that is and has gone on in this county it would shock the heck out of all of us.
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Re: WOW ! ! ! !
bornyesterday <Send E-Mail> -- Monday, 19 June 2006, at 11:50 p.m.
Remember that you said that the next time those type of people ask for your vote.
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Re: DRAIN COMMISSIONER
bornyesterday <Send E-Mail> -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 12:06 a.m.
I am interested in hearing the big explanation. It better be more than what I have read in the paper and include more than just H's term of office. I'd hate to see them with egg on their faces.
As a matter of fact I am for investigating everyone.
ML's post doesn't shock me. I've heard worse things that are going on over there.
cpdc's idea of an IG is sounding better every day. I just don't know how you would find one that would be honest and fair enough.
If cpdc could answer that question with a good explanation, I'd be for an IG in a heartbeat.
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Re: Kennel License
okalready <Send E-Mail> -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 7:55 a.m.
I am interested in that there seems to be selective enforcement of ordinances--not just in your neck of the woods but "everywhere".
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Re: Kennel License
okalready <Send E-Mail> -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 7:56 a.m.
Sadly, tradional business and politics, as usual.
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Re: Kennel License
shiaway <Send E-Mail> -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 9:39 a.m.
Where is your neck of the woods?
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gonna take a while
kaylor <Send E-Mail> -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 7:17 p.m.
went to The Committee of the Whole Meeting today
Kennel licensing for the illegally operating veterinary clinic kennels was not on the agenda
What I learned will take me a while to write up, then I will send as letter to the editor
and I may start a blog on it......
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Re: gonna take a while
cpdc <Send E-Mail> -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 7:33 p.m.
A new blog would be great. Hope you do that.
Any news on the Drain Commissioner issue?
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Oh Yeah.....
kaylor <Send E-Mail> -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 8:21 p.m.
Newsmedia was all over the place. CH 12
Hate to spoil all their stories.
Too bad.........
Colbry brought out two new bits of information
1. Holzhausen charged a "waiver" fee.whatever that was
2. One of H's employees told Colbry he/she overheard something that would indicate a personal threat to Colbry
Colbry is recommending to the State Police that the criminal charges be referred to the Attorney General because of item #2
Fuja questioned him about referring to the Governor - that would not be criminal charges and the commissioners could do that on their own - he would work on it with them.
After the meeting my friend questioned Sheriff Wilson about charging Bernie Butcher with the same criminal charges. His response was something to the effect would have to see what the statute of limitations was.........
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cpdc <Send E-Mail> -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 9:14 p.m.
I thought the criminal charges were for the unemployment claim, which would not apply to Bernie Butcher. As for the fees, that was all an administrative screwball thing anyway. Why waste time on that? Fix the policy & move on. If they are going to charge Gary for that, I'm still not sure they can charge Bernie because he had negotiated that compensation with the board in '92 ... or something like that.
I'm sure someone really threatened Colbry and that's why he has to defer to the AG. Bah! He was probably up all night trying to think of a way out. Colbry & Winegar are greasier than yesterday's bacon.***
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smilie <Send E-Mail> -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 10:07 p.m.
It was my understanding that Holzhausen was up on "several criminal charges" and that he will definately be charged. Who will be the Prosecutor is the question. Colbry was quoted in saying that someone in Holzhausen's group had threatened his life and I believe the lives of his family(I can't remember right now if their lives were threatened also or not). So he will be trying to get someone on State level to do the prosecuting. There was even talk of a dismissal recommendation being sent to Governor Granholm. As for Bernie Butcher, they said that he may be liable for repaying the county money for "unnecessary fees" collected. That would probably be as far as it would go for Bernie.
So as you can see, it went beyond the unemployment issue. It covered pretty much all allegations against Holzhausen.
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kaylor <Send E-Mail> -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 11:54 p.m.
My friend did videotape the meeting.should anyone wish to review, we can make copies.
I thought the criminal charges were more than the unemployment thing. Actually, I thought the MESC would have to bring a complaint on that anyway.
I also think Colbry said he went back through the minutes, like forever, and found nothing that gave anyone authority to do that. So that would put Butcher in the game.
I'm sure all the papers will have a good story.
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kaylor <Send E-Mail> -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 12:41 a.m.
I kinda like your opinion on this one.......
Colbry didn't look well ............
Funny how these legal types can expect ordinary citizens to testify, no matter what the threats are to their personal safety
then pull this?
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cpdc <Send E-Mail> -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 5:29 a.m.
If the fees were negotiated as part of Bernie's compensation then it might not be in the minutes of the meetings. He was Deputy DC back then ... are employees' compensation details kept in the minutes? I really thought it was a board resolution though, which of course would be in the minutes.
As for not finding anything in the minutes, Colbry only went back a few years and then proclaimed there was nothing to authorize Gary to take fees. Then I told the board to look back to the when Bernie started the program, and at that point I understand they had Lauri Braid look, and she didn't find anything (though she did ask citizens to come forward if they had information). However it doesn't mean anything to me that she didn't find anything, because she also couldn't find page 8 of the county budget when I purchased a copy, and when I told her staff that it was missing, they told me she said that page 8 didn't exist. I had to tell her staff what was on page 8 before they believed that it existed and then arranged to get it for me.
In our county, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. If they don't see it, they are certain it must not exist.
By the way I guess if you are ever going to be charged with something, you should pretend to threaten to kill Colbry and he'll back off and ask the AG to do his work for him.
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shiaway <Send E-Mail> -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 9:56 a.m.
"In our county, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. If they don't see it, they are certain it must not exist."
"Intristing"........if it doesn't jump out and bite them, it doesn't exist.
"By the way I guess if you are ever going to be charged with something, you should pretend to threaten to kill Colbry and he'll back off and ask the AG to do his work for him."
If they think it might jump out and bite them - let somebody else take care of it.
I think that technique works pretty good. I recently heard a story very similar about one of our previous prosecutors. Only this one just didn't prosecute somebody, at all. Was a much more serious crime than this, too. Actually, the crime was assault with a gun. Somebody assaulted somebody with a gun and when the prosecutor was threatened, he did not prosecute. Pretty sorry.
I also heard some think Colbry plans to run for judge someday, likely when Lostracco retires. Should that occur....I hope people remember what a courageous prosecutor he was ........( NOT )!
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cpdc <Send E-Mail> -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 11:26 a.m.
"I also heard some think Colbry plans to run for judge someday, likely when Lostracco retires. Should that occur....I hope people remember what a courageous prosecutor he was ........( NOT )! "
Barf. He's already the chief law enforcement officer in the county. Look what that's done for us.
But as a woman who BEGGED the police, prosecutor, and judge Lostracco for protection when I was being stalked by psycho-freak, and they couldn't be bothered to help me because they were too busy being important, I'd just like to say that I'm glad to see that Colbry has as much faith in the Shiawassee legal system as I do.
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shiaway <Send E-Mail> -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 12:03 p.m.
he-he maybe Colbry could get a PPO on Holzhausen
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Coward of the County??? *NM*
FoxxFire <Send E-Mail> -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 3:41 p.m.
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Re: Kennel License
shiaway <Send E-Mail> -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 9:29 p.m.
You could submit a FOIA ( Freedom of Information Act ) REQUEST TO Lauri Braid LBraid@Shiawassee.net and request copies of the bids received for this.
She is very good at getting the info out that is requested
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Re: Oh Yeah.....
smilie <Send E-Mail> -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 9:58 p.m.
Now that is funny!
I had to deal with Colbry as an attorney at one point many, many years ago. He was assigned to me. He did absolutely NOTHING for me! I was so happy when a new attorney took over his position. Looks like things haven't changed with him after all of this time! Very scarey!
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FoxxFire <Send E-Mail> -- Thursday, 22 June 2006, at 1:45 p.m.
Even scarier that I heard he plans to run for judge in the future.............
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Thanks or posting these from the old forum. There were a lot of good post and some bad ones also of the Drain office saga!

Outrage................we should all be feeling outrage.........
this crap has gone on for two years......................!

Yes, this has been an outrage, but hopefully it might be ending now that the Cabal has been made to look foolish in their trumped up politically motivated attacks and charges that have been proved to be false.

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